Friday

Ask Ty...November 20 [The Teabagger Question]

It must be Tuesday Friday, Middlespace Cadets, because I'm answering your questions
Q: Dear Ty,

I'm curious about your take on the lunacy of this "Teabagger" portion of our populace? I mean - in my opinion, they all come off as a bunch of terribly misguided and angry people - some of whom are openly racist, while others attempt to mask their racism under the banner of "Christianity" or even "Constitutionalism."

I've also started to notice how often the media is portraying them as Evangelical Wing-nuts - which, if I were a Regular Joe Christian, I would be really pissed off about. Why are we not seeing Regular Joe Christians standing up and distancing themselves from this movement? Why are they just letting these people cold-jack their ideology and dogma, and using it for overtly racist and selfish means? I know I would want to distance myself from any kind of extremism, you know?

What I mean by that, is this - The correlation I am making between Regular Joe Christians and Regular Joe Muslims is a simple one: people reacting to extremism by immediately saying things like:

"ALL CHRISTIANS HATE OBAMA AND THINK HE IS A SECRET MUSLIM SOCIALIST WHO IS KILLING AMERICAN VALUES!"

or

"EVERY MUSLIM HAS A BOMB UNDERNEATH THEIR CLOTHING AND WANTS TO KILL EVERYONE WHO IS NOT A MUSLIM!"

The Teabaggers keep on crying that there is a "Liberal Bias" in the portrayal of their movement. But really, all I see is a gang of inarticulate thugs trying to force their agenda down everyone's throat, because they didn't win an election - kind of like the kid who gets the short end of his wished-for stick on his birthday or something. "Ma - I WANTED A PONY, and all I got was OBAMA!!!"

Also - in the spirit of Alanis Morrissette - isn't it ironic that Regular Joe Christians are starting to feel the same fear and shame that Regular Joe Muslims were feeling in the earlier part of this decade?

Love,

- The Ghost Of Thomas Jefferson (Not Necessarily Stoned, But Beautiful)


Ty
: It's Headphone Friday. So strap on and cue one of these up before you start reading. Either will fit:
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Extremists are crazy, huh? In plenty of cases, the leadership of extremist groups and the followers of the leadership of extremist groups are clinically, diagnostically crazy as hell. Imagine if Glenn Beck and Tracy Morgan got gay-liberal married and had a baby. That baby would either be an accountant or the leader of some loud, ugly fringe group.

You mix any sort of mental illness with ignorance, and insecurity and you have the potential for a pretty messed-up situation. Now add The Fear that the [most-feared and oppressed group of choice] is somehow “taking over America!” (the women, the blacks, the Muslims, the Jesus Freaks, Jews, or whatever) and man-oh-man, we got ourselves a doozy. Now open the righteous umbrella of religion. Oops!

Welcome to 2010: the beginning of America’s Doozy Era. Seriously. We voted for the world’s coolest and smartest eloquent black president and what did we get? Not a lousy t-shirt or a fist bump, but we got a complimentary bag of nuts. Bitter wing nuts. It's like we painted ourselves into a corner with black-face [Ed. note: I've been waiting weeks to use that line]

So, and directly to your query, TJ (NNSBB), what is my “take on the lunacy of this "Teabagger" portion of our populace?” Shit, that’s like some automated, new-fangled fancy-ass, self-answering question there, don. These kooks are lunatics braying at the moon. But it’s not the moon that science explained is a spherical chunk of rock (now with water!) orbiting our spherical planet through the algorithms of gravity. No, these fools are braying at a liberal Jew conspiracy designed to send our babies to hell and take away guns. And the whole “fake space program” was proof too, they say. Some of these poor folk are the same people who believe that Satan had something to do with Hurricane Katrina and that dinosaurs are the product of a hoax. These ignorant rubes are all, "I need me some proof the world is flat" and stuff. Oh yeah, boo to Harry Potter too. But they are TeeVee news gold.

So when it comes to the idea that Barry Oh!® is a Socialist and a Nazi, they blindly run with that baton as some sort of "fact" when they can't even define the word "fact."And the Socialists and the Nazis—who also don’t like the president for different reasons—are like, what you talkin’ ‘bout, Willis?

And at the same time, Barry Oh!® somehow hates white people and is going to enslave them because he is racist. It’s so fucking crazy that it’s not even morosely funny anymore. I mean, to some of these kind people, our president is somehow a Muslim but the Muslims are like, what you talkin’ ‘bout, Willis? You ain’t gonna see any Hope & Change bumper stickers in the Westboro Baptist Church parking lot or on a donkey cart in Khewa.

I thought we played-out that phrase, “you can’t have it both ways” during the Clinton administration. You remember that vast right wing conspiracy. Where was the so-called liberal media then? In fact, where was the so-called liberal media during Bush's administration?

Oy! Let’s forget the media. Liberal Elitist or Fair & Balanced or whatever, the MSM generally sucks. So let’s take the media out of the discussion for now. Too maddening.

So, you are so right, TJ (NNSBB). Regular, good guy "Joe Christian" should be pissed as hell. If I were "Joe Christian," living my life, paying my taxes and wearing my Sunday Best every week, I’d be kind of frightened by how a weirdo but very loud minority of zealots are branding the faithful as idiots and kooks. I know plenty of intelligent, thoughtful, and fair people of all faiths. It is possible. It is even the norm, perhaps. As a Christian I'd feel ashamed and embarrassed of the teabag kooks (as I already do as an American).

Now take the Ft. Hood shootings. One of my first reactions was how much that crazy-ass meltdown must make regular, good guy, "Joe Muslim" feel so ashamed and embarrassed. TJ (NNSBB) is right: Ideology has been cold-jacked like a motherfucker in this, our planet's Doozy Era. I'll say it again, the only voices being heard are from the SurroundSound extremes. Turn that volume down, DJ!

I don't know if it will be an overall positive or negative long-term outcome but the extremes have made themselves the subject of ridicule and scorn (Sarah Palin and the rest). The sad thing is that same ridicule and scorn trickles down like Reaganomics never did to the people who are just trying to live their lives faithful to their gods. Just because you go to church or mosque or synagogue shouldn’t mean that 1) you hate everyone else’s gods and the people who worship in that particular manner, or; 2) that you’re a just plain crazy as hell.

The whole crazy-as-hell thing only reinforces my decision to not believe in gods or sticks or séances or the Mayan calendar or anything other than peer-reviewed data-driven SCIENCE (hello mathematics, I love ya!). No diss to anybody's religion but my science is kind of like my religion and science is whispering in my ear for me to blow anything up or pray for anybody to die because they scare me. Science already proves that we're all going to die anyway. Shouldn't our reaction be to have some fun? Enjoy the ride?

Bottom line is that we have become a mal-educated species. We developed our collective brain to a point were survival became easy. So some of us lack the fundamentals of reasoning and logic because it was never taught to us. Some of us are not able to make simple connections or perform thoughtful cognitive analyses. It's sad yet the tr00f. We've all become so ADD, paranoid, and reactionary. And in America, obese. We can update Facebook at 80 MPH on the freeway but we still think that dragons were real. So we rely on the loudest people on the TeeVee or the village to tell us how to think.

And for my "educated" extremist friends I ask, what are you so afraid of?

And to answer your question with a question TJ (NNSBB), "Isn’t it ironic?" Don't you think?

I could go on and on. I open the discussion to the comments. Have a good weekend with science.

Just a guess,

-ty


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30 comment(s):

RR said...

Ty, you are undoubtedly aware of the great Jewish tradition of going to a Chinese food restaurant on Christmas day. Below is a notice from a Meet-up group for the traditional Christmas day meal plus a very different twist. Note, gift wrapping so that the recipients can enjoy "Christmas" like children.

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LET'S SPEND CHRISTMAS DAY AT PINE GARDEN WITH OUR FRIENDS & FAMILY.
Pine Garden is always a favorite place to enjoy great food & great company.

They have a unique Vegetarian/Vegan menu which includes almost any dish you could find at a Chinese restaurant!!! What a great way to spend a healthy and cruelty free Christmas!

Let's relax & enjoy the holiday together.

Eat, Drink, & be Merry.
THIS YEAR, WE'RE DEDICATING CHRISTMAS DAY DINNER TO HELPING SAVE THE CHIMPS. Let's help these rescued chimps who have had such tragic lives by donating items on their "Wish List" below. Please bring one or as many items as you like to Christmas Dinner (if you can).

Please be courteous about updating your RSVP. The restaurant really wants an accurate count on Christmas.

Also, it's much easier for the restaurant staff on this busy day if you could pay your bill with cash rather than credit card.
SAVE THE CHIMPS provides permanent sanctuary for the lifelong care of chimpanzees rescued from research laboratories, entertainment and the pet trade.

SAVE THE CHIMPS is the largest chimp sanctuary in the world, and is located just 1.5 hours north of us in Ft. Pierce, Florida.

Wish List
Chimpanzee Needs & Treats
Peanut butter – creamy only.
Powdered Gatorade or Powerade (any flavor)
Fruit Juice (Any kind– no sugar added, please)
Raisins
Craisins
Apple Sauce
Jams or Jellies (any flavor)
Nuts in Shells (any kind, unsalted)
Sunflower Seeds (unsalted)
Loaves of Bread
Oatmeal
Grits
Pasta
Rice
Dried fruit - any kind
Fresh fruits and Vegetables - any kind
Fresh browse (edible branches, stalks such as banana trees, leaves, hibiscus branches, flowers, etc...)
Blankets, Toys & Enrichment Items
Blankets (please no quilts, comforters, mattress pads or sofa covers – they do not fit in our washers)
Stuffed animals (not stuffed with pebbles, beans, PVC, pellets or foam)
Small plastic toys, sturdy (age appropriate for 1 - 3 years - no choking hazards)
Picture Books, Magazines (New Mexico only)
Gift Certificates to Home Depot, Sam's Club, Wal-Mart
Paints (non-toxic)
Canvas boards (18” x 24”)
Household
Anti-bacterial Hand soap
Clothes Pins
Gift Certificates to Home Depot, Sam's Club, Wal-Mart
Hand sanitizer
Laundry Soap
Liquid Dish Soap
Paper Cups 16 oz Size / Paper Cups 3-5 oz Size
Paper Towels
Soap – Laundry
Please note that fleece throw blankets stand up to the “chimp test” - they’re durable and can handle wash after wash. The Sanctuary will gladly accept your gently used, hard plastic toddler toys.
Blankets, toys, and other items may be purchased at thrift stores where you can find many items for very little money.
Gift wrapping is also appreciated. The volunteers at SAVE THE CHIMPS will wrap the gifts. The Chimps love tearing the presents open, just as human children would. LET’S GIVE THESE CHIMPS A GREAT PARTY.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL.
THE GIFTS WILL BE DELIVERED DIRECTLY TO THE SANCTUARY IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, BY APPOINTMENT, SOMETIME BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEARS DAY. A SMALL GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS IS WELCOME TO HELP DELIVER THE ITEMS & PERSONALLY VISIT THE CHIMPS ISLAND

Anonymous said...

"they are TeeVee news gold"

All you had to say.

Ty said...

^^^Now you tell me.

Old Skool said...

Your so right! Both sides are crazy as mice in the microwave.

What accounts for this? How did we get here?

More analysis needed, Jethro.

Anonymous said...

All this hubbub so grandma can have an annual physical. Crazy!

Anonymous said...

^^^Old Skool

I don't think we got here. I think we've always been here (see: witch trials; slavery; 19th Century anti-Irish sentiment; 19th Century anti-Chinese sentiment; 19th Century anti-Italian sentiment; Spanish-American War; the Klan; Senator McCarthy; and so on).

The real question is why can't we get out of here?

Anonymous said...

the SCIENCE and DATA of psychology and biology says we don't get out of this human predicament.

we most likely destroy ourselves and the planet before the sun has a chance to expand.

Koko The Gorilla said...

@RR - U R RACIST TOWARD GORILLAS. I WILL MAKE PICTURE OF U. U WILL BE SAD.

Anonymous said...

People who need to be scared (or hate or whatever) will always find a reason to be scared (or hate or whatever).

IMHO it has always been this way.

The only reason why we think there are more scared (or haters or whatever) folks today then in the days of yore is because the interwebs give everyone a voice -- which is both liberating and saddening at the same time.

-Grayman

Anonymous said...

^^^Koko FTW!

chRon said...

I think one of the most relevant contributions I can make to this already excellent and humourous post is this:
You mentioned "Joe Christian" and contextually imply that he is somehow better than extremist crazies. I think you should take it a step further - I assert that ANYONE who considers themselves a "religious moderate" but believes in heaven/hell, talking snakes, winged horses, burning bushes or any other religious mumbo-jumbo is just as crazy as the guys who flew those planes into those buildings, for the simple reason that their beliefs are manifestly UNTRUE. The problem with religious moderates is that they act as a shield, protecting extremists from thoughtful and critical discourse on matters of faith. In our society it has become taboo to criticize someone's religious beliefs, and most religious folk will say that it's only fair that we show some tolerance towards the beliefs of others. Well I got news for you wing-nuts: your belief that you will go to heaven for your unwavering faith while infidels such as myself will roast for all eternity in Satan's hibachi for our unbelief doesn't sound too damned tolerant to me. And (insert-your-god's-name-here) help you if you try to reject the religious beliefs of others in a theocracy like Pakistan... You're likely to be stoned to death for heresy. What is this, the Dark Ages? Well, I suppose if Electro, flannel plaid shirts and skinny jeans can make a comeback, then the days of religious persecution can too!

Hallefuckin'lujah.

Anonymous said...

At least they can't contain themselves from covering their cars, t-shirts, etc. with their propaganda. Sure, they're crazy, but easily identifiable. They love this little team they have, right or left, so they love to make themselves visible to their brethren.

Sean said...

Holy Shit - I'm about to sort of agree with The Grayman!

(Actually - I usually agree with a lot of what Grayman posts, which is kind of interesting to me - seeing as how I am a Liberal Pinko ex-Military Guy)

ANYWAYS...

I am The Ghost Of Thomas Jefferson(Not Necessarily Stoned, But Beautiful). I sent this "Ask Ty!" in for a bunch of different reasons - one of which, has totally NOT been discussed amongst all y'all(which is a schtikel disappointing, I might add) -

Why aren't Regular Joe Christian organizations standing up and making Public Statements to distance themselves from this pigeon-holing going on?

I'm not religious, but I have spent plenty of my time buried in religious thought/study. And I am curious - like MAD CURIOUS - as to why Regular Joe Christians are allowing this to taint the rest of the country's view on their religion. I mean - post 9/11, almost every single Muslim-based group in the country was completely avalanched in by a wave of bullshit from all comers. And really? It's still happening to them. I see it every day here in NYC - big, tough construction worker types making odd faces when they see a woman rocking a burqa and working the Halal food stand outside the work site. You know what I am talking about, because almost every single one of us HAVE BEEN GUILTY OF THIS.

As The Grayman so verily put it - "People who need to be scared (or hate or whatever) will always find a reason to be scared (or hate or whatever)."

Religion is about fear.

Let's get right out into the middle of Front Street, shall we? Religion is a construct, created by men and women thousands of years ago, to ease us into the psychological reality that death is imminent. It's a con-game. Sure - each one of these religions has some really powerful and sometimes even beautiful ideas behind them, morals and what-have-you. But ultimately - it's just people either being born into it with no choice by their Parental Units(who are our own Gods & Goddesses for us when we are nothing but little grunyon, looking for guidance), or it is a choice that was made.

All of these crazy people using religion as a suit of armor to act a fool? That's just motherfuckers being too insecure to stand up and say how they feel about shit - a bunch of people not taking emotional responsibility for their actions/reactions/feelings.

Fear runs this world. Fear puts votes in boxes. Fear puts the money in the collection plates. Fear puts stories on the news. Fear puts a gun in some dithering moron's hand outside of an abortion clinic in Kansas.

I'm not some Hitchens Disciple, either. I'm a straight-up, dyed-in-the-wool, lunatic Taoist freak. I think people should be able to believe whatever the fuck they want to believe - AS LONG AS PEOPLE DO NOT DIE FROM THE DIFFERENCES.

Anyway. Yeah. So - I'm Sean. That's me.

I'm right here - seeking wisdom.

I also agree with Koko The Gorilla - that shit RR posted was totally racist.

Anonymous said...

Religion
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Anonymous said...

^^^Oh shits! Mr. Show to the rescue!

Ty said...

When I was younger/so much younger than today...

I was rigid in oppositions to all religions and considered anyone with an organized faith to be a mope and a rube. Including loved ones.

Religion just does not calculate in any way, shape, or form. It's a scam and I'm surprised that everyone doesn't know it.

I now further understand human weakness and vulnerabilities. Maybe I'm too forgiving anymore. Dunno.

But I can no longer immediately and automatically label all "believers" as a rube and a mope. Why? Because we vary in our levels of fear (of the unknown), intelligence, upbringing, and expectations. We are all not enlightened or self-actualized; just some of us - the cultural intelligentsia.

I'm not ashamed of the label: Cultural Elitist. Yeah? So? What's the problem.

But, us elitists are generally not the types to yap on and on about our "belief structure" and about "traditional values" and made-up bullshit. We think therefore we advance without dwelling on the past.

I know, I'm a softie. Maybe Mr. Softie. But I do not waiver in my beliefs nor my superiority complex.

Snickering Malcontent said...

LOLOLTEEHEE

Anonymous said...

Oh, Sky Cake.

Patton Oswalt on religion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzeY65voe0

Anonymous said...

RR to KOKO- get the chimp off your shoulder.

Anonymous said...

@Sean

Food for thought...

IMHO all of these sacred texts (Bible / Koran / Whatever) need to be looked at in the context of the time in which they were written.

I believe they were all intended as manuals of how to successfully live within a tribe.

"Cheat on your wife? You're going to hell."

"Thou shall not kill."

Rules like that help keep a society in line.

"Eat with one hand wipe your ass with another."

"Don't eat pork."

Understanding how hygiene and food preparation worked back in the days of yore I think that was good advice too.

At the end of the day I would say Religion is about control more then about fear -- though fear is used as a tool to enhance / ensure control occurs.

-Grayman

Ty said...

@Grayman:

"...need to be looked at in the context of the time in which they were written."

Right! Shouldn't that like the most obvious thing ever? You make an incredible point. Exactly.

Oh, and also the fact that they are largely fiction.

I guess people will worship the scared scrolls of Twitter in the future.

Sean said...

@Grayman & @Ty -

EXCELLENT.

The Bible - at least the OG Testament, is nothing more than The Torah having been cold-jacked from The Tribe Of Abraham. The Torah, IMHO, is just the written history of said tribe - with some of the stories that were told amongst the tribe being thrown in for good measure - like a Philip Roth novel, minus all the emotional puppetry and self-deprecation.

That being said - why haven't we EVOLVED as a populace? Why are the people who are being the loudest the people who are "the fringe element?"

"Common sense is not so common." - Voltaire

New Phan said...

^^^Greatest Story Ever Told.

Snap!

Anonymous said...

@Sean

Quote: "That being said - why haven't we EVOLVED as a populace? Why are the people who are being the loudest the people who are "the fringe element?"

Regarding evolving...

Some parts of the world have evolved other have not. The world moves at different speeds.

Take a look at Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Think about how YOU, in U.S. modern day society fulfill those needs.

Now remove electricity, running water, and make it so you can only travel on foot.

Now ask yourself how do you meet the requirements of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs?

Bingo -- with tribalism and stories.

Next... Loud people on the fringe element.

These people are either:

A. Scared of what they interpret as their world changing i.e. loss of control.

B. Folks WAY up there in the Religious or Governnment heirarchy and use Religon as a tool to control the population and to get the population to focus elsewhere i.e. "Our God says to hate the U.S. so we should do so! Additionally you should hate the U.S. because while you are busy doing that you won't notice me and my Religious / Government cronies being corrupt and hooking up with prostitutes and behaving in a way totally counter to all of the religious beliefs that I force upon you."

-Grayman

Anonymous said...

Ty said "scared scrolls of Twitter" (as opposed to "sacred") intentionally, didn'tcha, Ty?

Fear and fiction...

Old Skool said...

^^^Ty needs an editor, Maniyer Mark. I'm sure that joke-fail was "sacred." Doy!

Ty said...

Yes, s-a-c-r-e-d.

I'm a terrible editor.

Sry.

Sean said...

@Grayman -

I've already logged thousands of personal hours sans electricity/roof over head/place to bathe regularly etc, so I already grok what you're riffing on - I just don't think I'm the right example for this one. Good, but not about me as much as it might be about someone who hasn't had to suffer in any way due to their own circumstances and poor choices.

As far as the second part of your riff - Part A I'll buy for a dollar. That's some tr00f is there ever was some tr00f. I'm of the opinion that these people - the ones that are so angry and forceful about their worldview/dogma - well, they're terrified to find out they might be wrong. They're terrified to come to the realization one day that it just doesn't matter, and we're all worm food/ashes on a shelf.

When you really think about all of the magnificent eye-opening moments in your own life - don't you just shudder a little bit when you think about how easily you could have spotted what switched things up for you - if only you had been open to the possibility of said revelation?

That's some shit right there.

Part B? Sheeeeeeeee-it. Don't get all Conspiracy Jones, Esquire on me now(you've been doing real good thus far!) - next thing you know you'll be pointing me to some Alex Jones/Infowars/Disinfo shit, right?

That's as kooky as the people who believed Castaneda was trained by the CIA to conduct mind control experiments in the late 60s - early 70s. Dude was just a weird little anthropologist who had a magical way with his tongue that made ladies drop their entire lives to chill with him. Well - that and the peyote.

I gotta thank you, though - this is some good shit.

Anonymous said...

@Sean

Glad you're enjoying parts of my rants. :-)

Regarding my Part B I was envisioning Iran.

-Grayman

Sean said...

@ Grayman - You know I...

*Door flies open - Jim Mora comes in to participate in the discussion*

Iran?

Iran?!?!

IRAN?!?! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

(Okay, I'm done being silly)

This Glenn Beck fella sure wants to turn our Once-Great Nation into Iranistan, doesn't he?

And this kook is a Mormon.

Don't get me started on that shit - everyone wants to freak out about Hollweird being run by the scary-scary Scientologists, and about how they're a goddamn cult and all that - the motherfucking Mormons think Ty made a deal with the devil, and he was cursed by Elohim with black skin - try and tell me that shit isn't nutty.

But seriously - I've been saying this for a long time - if the Evangelicrats/Theocrats want a nation that is bound by the principles of faith and all that - including telling people who they can or cannot marry, and they want to have free reign to run around shooting doctors who provide services for women - by all means, they should move their monkey asses to Iran with the quickness.

I don't think they'll be missed.